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Old 07-14-2006, 01:48 PM   #151
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First off, don't call me dear, Andi, you're not my mother. Second, yes I am near to being a good writer. How am I not? My plot was original, had depth, Kelli was an original character in general, and the story was interesting. You gotta admit that stuff. I'm not saying I'm a very good writer. Just a good one that could improve a lot. Trust me, I'm doing my best.

And your best ****ing sucks. Seriously, get off your high horse. You're nowhere near being an even exceptional writer. I mean, I wouldn't have a problem with you being so horrible, because you do show potential and drive. But you don't want to listen to what anyone says on here, and because of that you will never be any better than what you are right now. If you just listen to the constructive criticism you're being fed, you can learn something. Oh, and never, ever base correct grammar from MS Word. It is mostly a spell check and at the most catches run-ons and fragment sentences. Try learning something in English class and maybe read a few books. The Elements of Style is a great book, like andi posted.
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Old 07-14-2006, 01:51 PM   #152
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I'm not discussing it anymore. I can believe what I want to believe.

Yes, you can, BUT YOU'RE WRONG.

Oh, man. You have become a laughingstock. An utter, miserable laughingstock.

I cannot believe you're disputing basic rules of grammar! Pick up any published book ever, and within you will find that commas and periods DO go inside the quotation marks.

MS Word may not correct it because of personal preferences--it can be programmed to ignore certain things. Therefore, it is not a good reference to use when learning grammar. The grammar and spellcheck should be regarded lightly, not as your main teacher.

In fact, I believe you KNOW this, but you're too proud to actually admit it.

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Tell me one criticism you've actually listened to. Because the only comments you've seemed to enjoy are the ones that tell you your story is awesome. Is that your standard for "polite" or "relevant" comments? Because any criticism you've been given has been labelled "pointless" thus far.

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I also don't like it when my characters are insulted. How would you like it if I said something mean about a character in a story you wrote?

Classic Suethor trait #390: When another insults the Sue, the Suethor takes it as a personal attack. If you actually followed that link I provided, you would have seen that.

See, that's the difference between you and me. I'm not a Suethor, so I don't model my characters after who I want to be. Therefore, I have no personal connection to my fictional characters. In fact, I'd be worried if someone didn't have something bad to say about certain characters I've created.

You, on the other hand, dream about being Kelli and having a pretty, special horsie named Sunfire.

So, when I insult your fictional dumb beast, you retaliate as though it is real; if you insulted any of my original characters, I'd either shrug or completely agree.

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First off, don't call me dear, Andi, you're not my mother.

What are you, six years old?
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Old 07-14-2006, 02:28 PM   #153
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And when was I arrogant?

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I don't know about that. I'm pretty much a good writer in general.

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That's the way I learned it and that's the way I continue to do it. End of story.

On the subject of commas: Look, kiddo. I know you were taught that way. But you were taught the wrong way. If you continue to write with the incorrect grammer, it will become a nasty habit, you'll get points deducted on papers in school and your college application essays will be a mess. You were taught the wrong way, and that was an excuse; now that you've been taught the right way, you don't have one. We're just saying this to your benefit, but go ahead, start a bad writing habit that will hurt your writing if you really want to. We're not the ones getting hurt.

And SL... you're being ridiculous. I mean, my mother saw me writing this, asked what this argument was about, and I told her. My mother was an English major, teaches High School lever English and grammar, and basically agrees that not only are you getting yourself into a bad habit, but you're only digging yourself in deeper and deeper by putting on such a show.

Anyway, if you really, really, really want to keep your Sueish characters and blundering comma usage, then go ahead. You're just proving that, contrary to your own statements, you are not really all that good a writer because you are not open to the suggestions of the more experienced writers here and you're unwilling to change the two ugly blemishes that fester and ooze horrendousness all over your story.

If you refuse to take honest suggestions, you're not going to get any better. Oh well. Not my problem.

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I would laugh. I would laugh very, very hard. I'd actually quite like to see you do it.
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Old 07-14-2006, 02:36 PM   #154
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I said drop the subject! I DON'T want to talk about the ****ing commas anymore! If you don't like my story and won't accept the improvement I'm trying to make, don't bother commenting. It's as simple as that.
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Old 07-14-2006, 02:48 PM   #155
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God... this is a flamming zone, [BIOHAZARD: FLAMMING EXCEEDED THE LIMIT] please, stop... I hate flamming...

Well, SL, you got some nice stuff there! Very nice! I mean, better than what I can do! (I mean it!) Your good in depth, and everything.

Now, I'm off, KEEP GOING! You got some potential! You may be a good author someday!

As for everyone else and their insults, Keep 'em to yourself, if you really want to live life like us professionsals...


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Old 07-14-2006, 02:50 PM   #156
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Well, some of what they said was pointless anyway, Link, and did you even read anything? Seriously.

And also, Link's right on one thing: If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all! ^_^
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Old 07-14-2006, 02:58 PM   #157
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Well, some of what they said was pointless anyway, Link, and did you even read anything? Seriously.

And also, Link's right on one thing: If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all! ^_^

We're only saying it for your sake, Stony. If you don't want to know what we think about your story, then don't ask us for our opinions.
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Old 07-14-2006, 03:01 PM   #158
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Justb a suggestion- Less talking. I'd like to see more writing, besides the characters talking. Definately more detail.
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Psh, yeah right. The one who said most of the pointless stuff was Chavvah. I mean complaining about how Kelli survived in the Lost Woods? It's obvious that the Great Deku Tree protected her. I have been trying to listen, and I tried to improve. You all just keep throwing it back in my face, despite the fact that I put a lot of work and effort into my stories.

EDIT: Laina: I did put more detail later in the story. And different stories need different amounts of dialogue. Steve actually said this and I agree with that. Don't worry, I've been trying to improve on detail and stuff like that, k?
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If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all! ^_^

*Coughsputtersnort*

You are HILARIOUS.

Hasn't basically everybody told you that you have potential? And that you're starving your potential by being stubborn?

That's something nice, right?

I've told you several things that I believe are good about this story. However, you're so caught up in your little "war-against-meanies" that you don't want to hear anything else.

I've told you this and I'll tell you again: you have a right to write this story, and by posting it on a fan fiction forum, you have opened it to criticism. People post their stories here to make them better, not create personality cults.

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Yo, Link, I have to disagree with you. Very few posts here have been what I call a "flame." I know flaming. I read Godawful.net forums. THOSE people could teach you a thing or two about being nasty. So far, especially considering Stony's behavior, I think this has been decently civil.

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THE DEKU TREE COULDN'T PROTECT KELLI IN THE LOST WOODS BECAUSE THE DEKU TREE ONLY HAS AUTHORITY IN THE KOKIRI FOREST. There, see? That's not pointless. I actually put thought into this point, because if my comment is true, then it creates a logical gap in your story! Logical gaps suck, so of course any writer should pay attention to them!

Also, how is that point "obvious"? You don't mention it in the story.
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Hey: If you're talking to me, it was just a harmless coment! A good writer needs to learn how to take criticism. Don't you want people to LIKE your story?
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Old 07-14-2006, 03:08 PM   #162
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I never said everything everybody has said was mean. Andi was nice about it. But were the rest of you? No.

And I wasn't being funny when I made that comment on not saying anything if you can't say something nice. It's a true quote.

Laina: There ARE people that like my story. I'll name five. Link, Jayolorin, lordof theforce, dark master, and Dulcie. Dulcie hasn't replied here, but I know she's read it. I talk with her a lot.
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You called me mean for telling you that your story had plot holes.

I feel so appreciated.

P.S. Commas and periods go inside the quotation marks!
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And an overwhelming majority think you have to improve. Just because a small amount of people like it just the way it is does not mean that the majority that gives you criticism is wrong wrong WRONG and needs to be shunned for being "mean".
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I never said everybody's criticism was wrong. I agreed I needed more detail. I agreed to change Kelli's character a bit. I agreed to IMPROVE.
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