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Old Today, 03:04 PM   #166
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If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all! ^_^

*Coughsputtersnort*

You are HILARIOUS.

Hasn't basically everybody told you that you have potential? And that you're starving your potential by being stubborn?

That's something nice, right?

I've told you several things that I believe are good about this story. However, you're so caught up in your little "war-against-meanies" that you don't want to hear anything else.

I've told you this and I'll tell you again: you have a right to write this story, and by posting it on a fan fiction forum, you have opened it to criticism. People post their stories here to make them better, not create personality cults.

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Yo, Link, I have to disagree with you. Very few posts here have been what I call a "flame." I know flaming. I read Godawful.net forums. THOSE people could teach you a thing or two about being nasty. So far, especially considering Stony's behavior, I think this has been decently civil.

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Update: My comments, pointless? Hardly! I love it when people point out canonical stuff for me!

THE DEKU TREE COULDN'T PROTECT KELLI IN THE LOST WOODS BECAUSE THE DEKU TREE ONLY HAS AUTHORITY IN THE KOKIRI FOREST. There, see? That's not pointless. I actually put thought into this point, because if my comment is true, then it creates a logical gap in your story! Logical gaps suck, so of course any writer should pay attention to them!

Also, how is that point "obvious"? You don't mention it in the story.
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Old Today, 03:07 PM   #167
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Hey: If you're talking to me, it was just a harmless coment! A good writer needs to learn how to take criticism. Don't you want people to LIKE your story?
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Old Today, 03:08 PM   #168
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I never said everything everybody has said was mean. Andi was nice about it. But were the rest of you? No.

And I wasn't being funny when I made that comment on not saying anything if you can't say something nice. It's a true quote.

Laina: There ARE people that like my story. I'll name five. Link, Jayolorin, lordof theforce, dark master, and Dulcie. Dulcie hasn't replied here, but I know she's read it. I talk with her a lot.
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Old Today, 03:11 PM   #169
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You called me mean for telling you that your story had plot holes.

I feel so appreciated.

P.S. Commas and periods go inside the quotation marks!
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Old Today, 03:14 PM   #170
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And an overwhelming majority think you have to improve. Just because a small amount of people like it just the way it is does not mean that the majority that gives you criticism is wrong wrong WRONG and needs to be shunned for being "mean".
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Old Today, 03:20 PM   #171
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I never said everybody's criticism was wrong. I agreed I needed more detail. I agreed to change Kelli's character a bit. I agreed to IMPROVE.
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Old Today, 03:21 PM   #172
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You admit Andi was nice about it?

Then why did you snap at her?
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First off, don't call me dear, Andi, you're not my mother. Second, yes I am near to being a good writer. How am I not? My plot was original, had depth, Kelli was an original character in general, and the story was interesting.

That's not a nice way to treat a nice person.

Yeesh, I'd hate to see the way you react to a real flame.
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Old Today, 03:23 PM   #173
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...but you did, however, completely disregard basic rules of punctuation...?
-And if you changed her character a bit, how would it look in the story? Would you say: "She had a change of heart about things..."? ... Awkward...
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I wasn't trying to be mean to her. I was just trying to point out that she was wrong about a few things. I don't think I'm a great writer, but I'm okay, meaning good, but not that good.
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I never said everything everybody has said was mean. Andi was nice about it. But were the rest of you? No.

And I wasn't being funny when I made that comment on not saying anything if you can't say something nice. It's a true quote.
I want specific quotes on how I was being mean instead of trying to help you. I will explain the reason behind my meanness, and if there is no way to, I will formally apologize and repeat what I said in a more civil context.

Stony, you seem to be the only one recently who is being mean. We *are* trying to help you. We *are* giving you advice. We *are* you link to try to make you better.

As of right now I see no reason why I should even be trying to help you, nor Chavvah, nor Lakayal, nor Andi even.

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I don't see any authors yet, Lakayal, so I'm going to say I don't believe you.
I've been meaning to comment on this. This is the worst bout of arrogance I have seen from you yet. Really. By saying this you have put yourself on a pedestal and make it seem as if you see yourself as one of the greatest, if not the greatest writers on ZU. There's one thing you lack from some of the great writers on here. They learn from their mistakes. They learn from eachother. They'd take even flaming as constructive criticism. At least I do.

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And I really hope you saw the edit in this post. And I really hope you read some work from those authors. (And Lakayal's work too, that's not bad at all. They, like you put effort into their work. They tried. They toiled. They put their best effort into it, as you did. They can also take constructive criticism too. They'll thank you for it it, even.

A word thrown around in this a lot is tact. This thread wouldn't be five pages long if you had any tact yourself. By not even caring what we are doing to try to make you a better author makes the respect I have for you go down the drain.

Every tries; Everyone doesn't fail at even trying to improve. You have.
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Old Today, 03:48 PM   #176
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I don't see why you're trying to help me either. I've already tried to listen. And also, Steve, your story sucks, that's why I never replied to it, and Hylian Lemon's, well, his is good, but not awesome in my opinion.

You know what? Don't try to help me. I've tried hard enough to improve, but no, you just keep on throwing it back in my face. Stop trying to help me if I can't be good enough for you.
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I never said everybody's criticism was wrong.

Yes you have, on many occasions. You've dismissed almost all of our critiques in the most flippant manner possible. And since we went to the effort of reading it and typing up our opinions so that you could (we assume) learn how to improve as a author, it's a rather big insult for you to just automatically assume that what the vast majority of us are saying is simply "pointless".
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Old Today, 03:53 PM   #178
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No, I haven't, Andi. Did you read a word I said in that post? I agreed to put in more detail and I agreed to change Kelli's character a bit. Honestly, you all seem to not be listening to me. And you expect me to listen to every word you people say after that?
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Old Today, 03:54 PM   #179
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And also, Steve, your story sucks, that's why I never replied to it, and Hylian Lemon's, well, his is good, but not awesome in my opinion.

Shut up, woman. I read Steve's story and it's far better than anything you could DREAM of writing.

I'm sorry; but your attitude ticks me off. Please think twice before dissing those who are more talented than you.

P.S. I never asked you to change Kelli. I told you to get rid of her. And several other people have given you the same advice.

I fail to see any "changes" in Kelli other than your sorry attempt to give her "flaws."

I don't really care about your detail/dialogue ratio much anymore--the issue has grown into something far larger than that. You need to learn that sometimes, plot points need to change for the sake of accuracy and clarity. All of my points were made to do this, and you dismissed EVERY SINGLE POINT I made! Some of the advice I gave you wouldn't even be difficult to embrace! You could change the horse's breed with the blink of an eye, but you refuse to do that when I tell you palominos are not war horses (neither are they messenger or errand horses; their only real use is for show). Seriously, what?
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Old Today, 04:00 PM   #180
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Stony, here's the deal:

Many people don't like your story for many different reasons. Everyone who has commented with criticism has been constructive (at first), and then rude only in relation to what you dished out.

You have created an elaborate and impressive fiction in this thread, but it is certainly not "Newfound Powers".

To everyone else, I say we follow Stony's advice - let's not say anything at all. The comments we've given her should be enough to set her on the path to mediocrity, should she ever decide to actually heed them.
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